dps and intakes...stage 2

[phailerider]

In the summer of 2007... cars started showing up all over the place with dps and intakes. many had many other mods... but the basic stage 2 downpipe, intake combo was the starting point for everybody who wanted to make some decent power on this car.

Now... 2 years later, this community has gone to hell. weve had a thousand guys go with this and we act like the sky is falling becuase weve had some cars pop. many of those, modded well beyond that..... and god knows the conditions they "maintained" their vehicles under.

bullshit... im sick of answering questions from people asking why the hell our car is so unsafe. it isnt. if you want to make 270-280whp with a little tuning, dp, intake, maybe a bpv, ic and a fuel pump.... there should be NO worry. the number of people who have a problem are ridiculously low to be individually concerned.

mod your car, manage your car, maintain your car, enjoy your car....

im sick of the discussions on this board. many of us are driving this car in exactly this form with no apparent issues, and all i see is fear. ridiculous....

that is all.

[skeeter149]

i know i am stuck at pussy stage 1 (damn you cali) but thanks randy. buy it mod it enjoy it and see you around.

[phillyb]

/me is modded

[pidass]

i'm sticking with the stock dp until someone can nail down the smoking issue.

Driving a new car that smokes like '84 buick is unacceptable, to me anyways.

[94jedi]

dude...I have titanium balls. I'm at stg2+ (Cobb speak) minus OCC, minus, CDFP.

Hows that for ballsy??

granted, I drive like a grandmother and I do maintain my car well although I'm about 1k mi. overdue for an oil change.

[94jedi]

Originally Posted by pidass i'm sticking with the stock dp until someone can nail down the smoking issue. Driving a new car that smokes like '84 buick is unacceptable, to me anyways.

See that's the thing, I'm on a catless DP/RP and never had a smoke issue. it's not as prevalent as some people might think.

[Lex]

Good post. Bout time we see some sensible posts.

[phillyb]

Originally Posted by 94jedi See that's the thing, I'm on a catless DP/RP and never had a smoke issue. it's not as prevalent as some people might think.

i also run catless cpe downpipe...no smoke

[Deadman]

i also run catless ATP dp no smoke or cel for that matter!

[802MS3]

dp, high-flow cat, 5w40 oil, no smoke

[wakeboarddude]

THANK YOU RANDY!! I hate seeing posts from some neebie askin if he should buy the car or ask questions on how to mod the car so it wont blow up! Out of the hundred thousand speeds that were sold the number of who blew is so low! Every car blows up if the conditions are right!

[rodrigo]

damn niggah, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

[subparpunk03]

You're all going to blow. Suckers.

J/K. I've been beating the hell out of my SST + almost bolted setup for nearly 45k miles and it runs great everywhere but the dyno. I take it on TONS of road trips and guess what.... its going to go on a bunch more.

[KayWhy]

We have Stages . . . . lol

[ChrisK]

I'm stage 2, and love it! oh and 29k miles with dp and rp and no smoke! I can idle for an hour and never get smoke.

[BCMS6]

I have CAI, TMIC, SB 2.0, 3" Cat Back... No DP the fines are too big in CA. I have never had worries about blowing. I agree this fear of modding is getting to be a bit much. Most of the basic mods increase efficiency and serve no harm to the engine.

[buddhabum]

Originally Posted by 94jedi See that's the thing, I'm on a catless DP/RP and never had a smoke issue. it's not as prevalent as some people might think.

Word, smoke was never an issue when I was Catless DP

[Scatt Nasty]

IMO smoking and leaking oil goes hand in hand with the hair on my chest and the beer I drink. It's what men do.

[mike8748]

I love my MODS!!!
I have taken every precaution along the way.
I only drive my car hard at the track.
Enjoy your car!

Mods Mods Mods!!!

[serium]

Mods Mods Mods.....wait im stock....but wanted to be in on this thread!!! Mod it up and be smart about it!

[martyxattack]

i have dp's and intakes. im not having fun.

[Haltech]

Ive tested 100s of Cobb maps and beat the shit out of my car which is a full stage 2. i change my oil, check my plugs and i dont worry about the car blowing up. 35,000 miles and still ticking...

[phailerider]

ive sold power mods to hundreds of guys over the last 8 months, and i could count the number of guys who have blown on one hand. if i eliminated the dudes with big turbos i can think of 1-2.

stick with the basic recipes. follow maintenance rules of thumb and fix what the hell is wrong. monitor your car. if your shit is broke, or aint running right... fix it. thats my advice.

[phillyb]

my car never runs right...randy, do you have any advice my the likes of me?

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by phillyb my car never runs right...randy, do you have any advice my the likes of me?

enjoy it.

and if you install something cockeyed and the car doesnt run right. lift the hood and fix it. dont go race it. maybe even demod before you add the next.
the guys who continue to mod cars that are obviously unhappy... are the ones who are gonna run into the worst problems.

every car is different, and reacts slightly different to the same setups. be proactive and reactive..... and all this motor blowing stuff becomes nonsense. the whole concept of focusing your modding to "fix our flawed motors".... is fucking ridiculous. mod it, then tune it, and stop to make it run right if starts to act up. simple as that. and once you change the turbo and start making in excess of 300whp.... then things start to get exponentially riskier.....

below that its horseshit that you have anything to worry about.

[boosted3]

i have 41000 mile son my car and i beat the shit out of it and fully bolted.i have no engine problems except mounts breaking lmaooooo

[bf360]

all i have is a dp/i/bov and idk what to do next since everything else is pretty expensive for the somewhat minimal gains u get

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by bf360 all i have is a dp/i/bov and idk what to do next since everything else is pretty expensive for the somewhat minimal gains u get

intercooler, fuel pump, and tuning device. those three things will double the gains youve seen so far, and leave the car just as safe in the process. then... you can be done for awhile. turbo is the next step and thats a whole new ballgame.

[bf360]

Originally Posted by palerider intercooler, fuel pump, and tuning device. those three things will double the gains youve seen so far, and leave the car just as safe in the process. then... you can be done for awhile. turbo is the next step and thats a whole new ballgame.

no offense randy but you and i both know tuning does very little for what its worth, fp is next up on my list, but intercooler ive never seen to give huge gains, intercooler is more of an efficiency mod

[phailerider]

Originally Posted by bf360 no offense randy but you and i both know tuning does very little for what its worth, fp is next up on my list, but intercooler ive never seen to give huge gains, intercooler is more of an efficiency mod

raising the boost makes power man...what are you talking about. thats how a dp/i car gets to 290-300... and if your going to do that then you need the fp/ic to keep the car happy.. plus they do make small gains themselves.

15 psi to 18 psi with a tune that holds out throttle makes a world of difference for power. fuck... get a mbc for all i care... but dont tell me tuning doesnt make power if it includes raising boost on a turbo car.

[killa cam]

haha tuning doesn't make power

[bf360]

Originally Posted by palerider raising the boost makes power man...what are you talking about. thats how a dp/i car gets to 290-300... and if your going to do that then you need the fp/ic to keep the car happy.. plus they do make small gains themselves. 15 psi to 18 psi with a tune that holds out throttle makes a world of difference for power. fuck... get a mbc for all i care... but dont tell me tuning doesnt make power if it includes raising boost on a turbo car.

never said raising the boost didnt make power, i said tuning didnt if the boost remained the same, thats why for the money a tuning device isnt worth it, instead of spending 600 or more on a tuner id rather get a mbc/fcd or map clamp, and maybe even meth, thats sort of my plan once i can get enough money together and my dam car stops breaking, phils setup made power and worked, his stock turbo setup anyway lol

a sb or ap isnt a bad option but for the price difference i dnt see it worth it, shit since all these new theorys about our motor being extremely stout might as well just spray the fucker

[bf360]

Originally Posted by killa cam haha tuning doesn't make power

tuning doesnt, not on this car, unlike most cars, maybe it will make slightly more power than a stock tune but not by much and i dont feel its worth it to make ur motor run hotter and leaner for the little to no power increase

[jwdp54]

fully bolted for 10k running 20psi all day long and haven't looked back. have done all the percautions and beat the hell out of my car. love the car for what it's worth! if you glue your eyes to a monitoring device your in the wrong car. obviously you bought the car for it's power or else you would have bought a mazda 3.

Originally Posted by bf360 tuning doesnt, not on this car, unlike most cars, maybe it will make slightly more power than a stock tune but not by much and i dont feel its worth it to make ur motor run hotter and leaner for the little to no power increase

?? confused to this because if you tune you can richen up and add some boost to it. on a completly stock car with just the sb you could easily pick up anywhere from 15-20whp if done right. i've had great results using the sb and the ability to be able to dial in my car.

[armarine04]

Originally Posted by wakeboarddude THANK YOU RANDY!! I hate seeing posts from some neebie askin if he should buy the car or ask questions on how to mod the car so it wont blow up! Out of the hundred thousand speeds that were sold the number of who blew is so low! Every car blows up if the conditions are right!

completely agree...

[mazdaj]

intake, downpipe, bpv, standback here and im content and happy knowing that ive got great gains with these parts and im not risking reliability too much as long as i keep up proper maintenance. i rarely overboost with the standback, but if i wanna get a quick 20 hp ive got it on a switch in my cabin for racing/fucking around.

i didnt buy this car to break records, this is a fun ass street car/setup and thats all its gonna be to me until maybe well after i pay it off.....

[thezfunk]

Originally Posted by wakeboarddude THANK YOU RANDY!! I hate seeing posts from some neebie askin if he should buy the car or ask questions on how to mod the car so it wont blow up! Out of the hundred thousand speeds that were sold the number of who blew is so low! Every car blows up if the conditions are right!

I hope you were joking about those numbers because there hasn't been anywhere near close to 100k MS3's made.

I do agree with the original OP. A handful under god knows what conditions doesn't make me shit my pants. I leave that for diarrhea.

What about a reworked turbo that PG is offering? I was considering one of those instead of a bigger turbo.

[ualeks]

It seems like there are a lot of youngsters driving these cars who haven;t been in the tuning scene for too long. They jump on and off the bandwagon quickly when things go good or bad. They don't put too much thought into what's going on and why, and are generally quick to point the finger at other people or the parts that they bought when things don't go their way.

[ucfchik87]

Amen.

[smakdown61]

Tuning compared to a mbc may not make anymore power, but its sure as hell safer.