BNR stage 3 turbo

[i <3 bitches]

FORZDA1 you are right on the money about the supports for the turbo. that is a lot of weight to have hanging off the manifold... the fact that these turbos will flow like a 2871 AND bolt up like stock has me sold. it is worth it for a DD to go with this instead of a true GT2871, no doubt

[ljudgeii]

Well I have the stage 2, and installing sometime next week, cause I cannot tune for it since my AP has the critical firmware issue of not changing maps or unable to uninstall. Will post pics and what not laterz.

[DSIT995]

Originally Posted by i <3 bitches FORZDA1 you are right on the money about the supports for the turbo. that is a lot of weight to have hanging off the manifold... the fact that these turbos will flow like a 2871 AND bolt up like stock has me sold. it is worth it for a DD to go with this instead of a true GT2871, no doubt

forzda is right on the $$, but if ur planning on getting one of these in the next few months, it'll be a stage 2. Stage 3 wont be out for awhile (6 months or longer?)That uses a GT2860 wheel which is a lil smaller but still should be excellent for a DD.

btw, forzda u should try the GT2871 AP Maps that are out there(PM smoker6 if u dont have them already)since the are for the MS6, just to use as a baseline or starting map. Is there a way to switch the maps to work with the MS3? anybody know

[xcoldricex]

Originally Posted by FORZDA 1 No, when Bryan announced the Stage 3 version and he only had two of the 2871 compressor wheels for the stage 3 version I jumped on it immediately and someone else got the other one. So there are two of the stage 3 versions until Bryan can get more compressor wheels. According to him, Garrett has stopped selling the parts, so.... He posts and replies to questions in this thread over on 6club. Mazdaspeed 3/6 K04 Hybrid turbocharger 330WHP!!! - Page 63 - Mazda 6 Forums : Mazda 6 / Mazda Atenza Forum

nice. wonder why you guys didn't bring this over here sooner. i was going to ask this question but found the answer over on 6club... FYI for people here

You should be able to make 350-360 AWHP with the stage 3 and be 100% bolt up. It requires a 2.5" inlet. Compressor wheel is too large for a stock 2.25" inlet size.... The 2.5" inlet does just fine with the 2871 compressor wheel.

Originally Posted by i <3 bitches FORZDA1 you are right on the money about the supports for the turbo. that is a lot of weight to have hanging off the manifold... the fact that these turbos will flow like a 2871 AND bolt up like stock has me sold. it is worth it for a DD to go with this instead of a true GT2871, no doubt

with cp-e's upcoming cast exhaust manifold - i think issues with turbo support will be of less concern than when running tubular manifolds.

[Dre]

holy fuck.. i just spent most of my day reading that monster thread on club6.. good info though.. definitely going to get one of these badboys!!

[Nataphen]

Subbing for stg 2 and 3 results on 2010s. Someone please hurry and make a good flash tuner for this car!

[zx2man]

DITTO for the 1st Gens

[phillyb]

want to see this coupled with a standback, flashes, blah blah blah.
lol.

[rodrigo]

i spent half a week reading maada6 forum thread....and............ i dont see anything that shows any increase in power.

if any of u get this please..dyno b4 and after without any other changes. this i might consider for myself because i am looking for something civil ,.......but i would like to see at least a 10% increase in power from the swap.........

ay of u guys see any data to back this up......hard data not impressions

[zx2man]

Originally Posted by lenny127 i spent half a week reading maada6 forum thread....and............ i dont see anything that shows any increase in power. if any of u get this please..dyno b4 and after without any other changes. this i might consider for myself because i am looking for something civil ,.......but i would like to see at least a 10% increase in power from the swap......... ay of u guys see any data to back this up......hard data not impressions

Fuck lenny!..think ive thank you like 3-4 times today..Ill get off your dick I promise lol..anyways yes exactly!!!..thats what Im thinking...the #'s on stage 1 do not seem to be anymore than a fully bolted properly tuned stock turbo ms3's that ive seen...and this shit about hey I like BNR or it pulls hard..its cool and all..but doesnt tell me shit..no disrespect..but I need some numbers to back it up. Im prabaly gonna go stage 3 myself, and am looking for a nice gain..nothing crazy..just that little added bump in power that justifies me giving BNR 1300 bucks.

[DSIT995]

Originally Posted by phillyb want to see this coupled with a standback, flashes, blah blah blah. lol.

SB? Its in the mail. lol I going to try the AP to start, then will probably switch to the SB along w/ the flashes down the road
Got such a killer deal I couldnt pass it up

Should be up and running ina month w/ BNR and 2 months w/ SB

[Dre]

people gotta remember.. its not just about the bump in power, but the ability to run this turbo to redline without running it out of its efficiency range.. you can run 21-22 psi without the need of meth injection since the bnr turbo isnt a flamethrower past 5900rpm like the stocker..

[rodrigo]

Originally Posted by Dre people gotta remember.. its not just about the bump in power, but the ability to run this turbo to redline without running it out of its efficiency range.. you can run 21-22 psi without the need of meth injection since the bnr turbo isnt a flamethrower past 5900rpm like the stocker..

that doesnt answer any questions , i already boost 22psi on the stocker and already spray meth. so for me if running a stage 2 BNR turbo means same power without needing to use meth for safety then its ridiculous to spend 1200 bones on something i can already do with a $30 a month meth bill.

1200 dollars is serious business......and i fully understand that its main competitor are the reworked ko4 s and NOT the BT's ....but still....... in my opinion a performance increase has to be shown for the masses to take interest.... im sure an oddball here and there will buy it for the reasons u stated...but the majority of us are after more power.

hopefully some data/dynos can be shown to justify that kind of loot being thrown around

[Nataphen]

Originally Posted by Dre people gotta remember.. its not just about the bump in power, but the ability to run this turbo to redline without running it out of its efficiency range.. you can run 21-22 psi without the need of meth injection since the bnr turbo isnt a flamethrower past 5900rpm like the stocker..

That's exactly why I started looking into it. As soon as I figured out that the ECU starts closing the throttle plate under 5000 RPMs and fully closes at about 5800 RPMs, I wanted to disable that. Then, I figured out why, to protect the stock turbo, and I said to myself...well that just won't do.

These motors will continue to make power up to 6500+ RPMs, so why should we have to shift at 5600 to keep the power from falling off? A better high RPM turbo along with a tune to keep the plate open, will allow the use of the entire powerband of the motor. That's how it should be.

[zx2man]

Good points ...I myself like Lenny want that extra power through the mid range..But like dre I would also want power to stay up through the powerband. Honestly that 2 me will be a huge reason to buy this turbo for myself. Lets say for example Bob has a ms3 with following mods-

Intake
Fmic
Turboback exhaust
Upgraded cdfp

Stock turbo 18 psi tune 300 whp@ 5900 rpm

Then for 12-1300 bucks the BNR stage 3 should atleast do this to that same car same dyno-

330-350 whp AND make power beyond 6k

Have my cake and eat it too..maybe im spoiled, but this is the ball park I will be hoping to see on stage 3 setups...310-330 whp-stage 2?..I dont know..cant wait to see the results.

[Dre]

I wouldnt rock a bnr w/o some kind of tuning solution.. would love to see what any of the 3 stages would do when paired up with an hpfp and SB.. having the confidence to run the power up to 6500 is worth the 12-1300.. would love to see Jake tune one of these bad boys..

[Ms3speed]

Sorry this is off topic alittle but for the stage 1 kit is that any better than Pg reworked K04? I have an allmost brand new core I picked up for $200 but If I went stage 2 will it bolt up just like the stocker? what has to be done to run the stage 2?

[8.5MS3]

all 3 are direct bolt on. the only difference will be the TIP will have to have a larger diameter to account for the increased size of the compressor housing

[hnda etr]

Originally Posted by xcoldricex with cp-e's upcoming cast exhaust manifold - i think issues with turbo support will be of less concern than when running tubular manifolds.

moar info about said cpe exhaust mani....?

Originally Posted by Nataphen That's exactly why I started looking into it. As soon as I figured out that the ECU starts closing the throttle plate under 5000 RPMs and fully closes at about 5800 RPMs, I wanted to disable that. Then, I figured out why, to protect the stock turbo, and I said to myself...well that just won't do.

Did you say "Self - well that just won't do."? or did you just say "well that just won't do."?

If it's the former, then you really did tell yourself "well that just won't do." and I'm curious as to what answer you gave yourself...

if it's the latter, then you weren't necessarily telling yourself anything, you could have been telling the person next to you "well that just won't do." or maybe telling the imaginary pixies flying around your head...?

But Who knows...

[xcoldricex]

Originally Posted by lenny127 that doesnt answer any questions , i already boost 22psi on the stocker and already spray meth. so for me if running a stage 2 BNR turbo means same power without needing to use meth for safety then its ridiculous to spend 1200 bones on something i can already do with a $30 a month meth bill. 1200 dollars is serious business......and i fully understand that its main competitor are the reworked ko4 s and NOT the BT's ....but still....... in my opinion a performance increase has to be shown for the masses to take interest.... im sure an oddball here and there will buy it for the reasons u stated...but the majority of us are after more power. hopefully some data/dynos can be shown to justify that kind of loot being thrown around

yep. when i said the exact same shit a month ago people flamed me. the preliminary dynos don't look great.

[rodrigo]

Originally Posted by xcoldricex yep. when i said the exact same shit a month ago people flamed me. the preliminary dynos don't look great.

well, i have more clout son.

[hnda etr]

Originally Posted by lenny127 well, i have more clout son.

You mean more weight...

[rodrigo]

also...i want to get this BeaNeR turbo for obvious reasons.

[cld12pk2go]

Originally Posted by lenny127 well, i have more clout son.

While I don't disagree about the boring BNR dynos, so far the lack of interesting dynos is the direct result of their owners running low boost, not a lack of turbo capability....

I am very curious to see what one of these will do at ~22-24 PSI...

[rodrigo]

Originally Posted by cld12pk2go While I don't disagree about the boring BNR dynos, so far the lack of interesting dynos is the direct result of their owners running low boost, not a lack of turbo capability.... I am very curious to see what one of these will do at ~22-24 PSI...

u are making assumptions,.......and to me 1200 dollars i will spend on facts not guesses. so until we see some real data it would be foolish to buy these turbos thinking you will get more power out of them.

[cld12pk2go]

Originally Posted by lenny127 u are making assumptions,.......and to me 1200 dollars i will spend on facts not guesses. so until we see some real data it would be foolish to buy these turbos thinking you will get more power out of them.

So am assuming that people are not lying about their datalogs that show they were running ~16 PSI on their dynos?

Yes, I am making that assumption.

Their is no need to be argumentative, I am waiting for someone to push these snails as well...

Are they "proven" to make big power? No. Do they appear to have the potential? Yes. Time will tell...

[rodrigo]

Originally Posted by cld12pk2go So am assuming that people are not lying about their datalogs that show they were running ~16 PSI on their dynos? Yes, I am making that assumption. Their is no need to be argumentative, I am waiting for someone to push these snails as well... Are they "proven" to make big power? No. Do they appear to have the potential? Yes. Time will tell...

of course there is a need to be argumentative. we are having an argument. you 'd like to believe that an unknown turbo makes more power without proof, I am telling you i believe that 99% of potential customers (including myself) will want to see data that PROVES IT. before shelling out 1200.

if i were to guess...I would say these turbos indeed would make more power....... but i dont make $1200 guesses when there is a surer way.

argue away now.

[Nataphen]

Originally Posted by hnda etr moar info about said cpe exhaust mani....? Did you say "Self - well that just won't do."? or did you just say "well that just won't do."? If it's the former, then you really did tell yourself "well that just won't do." and I'm curious as to what answer you gave yourself... if it's the latter, then you weren't necessarily telling yourself anything, you could have been telling the person next to you "well that just won't do." or maybe telling the imaginary pixies flying around your head...? But Who knows...

Sorry, I mispoke. I said to myself, "self, that just won't do." LOL

[theschrum]

This thread is actually making me reconsider the GT30 I was debating on buying. This car is my DD, the stage 2 or 3 would be a great reliable solution since I plan on keeping stock internals for a while.

[swaibel]

Originally Posted by mason i was just on the site. looks like the stage 3 turbo would be a good way to go on stock block with supporting mods like fmic and DP, cai. i did a search but..... what is our options on bolt on turbos. ATP, SST, BNR, ??? any more? has anyone tried one of BNRs turbos? and what do you guys think? thanks mason

i want one so bad

[zx2man]

Well I emailed Bryan about stage 2. Told him I would like to make 330-340 whp with the stage2 and supporting mods-Intake-upgraded fuel pump-intercooler-exhaust-mani- and he said that would be possible but im looking at 22-23 psi.

How about a properly tuned gt2871r turbo with supporting mods? 16-18 psi? hmmm.

[Flightmedic]

Originally Posted by zx2man Well I emailed Bryan about stage 2. Told him I would like to make 330-340 whp with the stage2 and supporting mods-Intake-upgraded fuel pump-intercooler-exhaust-mani- and he said that would be possible but im looking at 22-23 psi. How about a properly tuned gt2871r turbo with supporting mods? 16-18 psi? hmmm.

no you would be looking at 20+ psi on the 2871 too

[DSIT995]

Originally Posted by Flightmedic no you would be looking at 20+ psi on the 2871 too

I agree
Look @ yoichi's sig (idk for sure u would have to confirm it w/ him and he has a MS6) it say 24psi w/ meth for 343 awhp

on a MS3 it would be higher but still its going to be at least 20

[yoichi]

Originally Posted by DSIT995 I agree Look @ yoichi's sig (idk for sure u would have to confirm it w/ him and he has a MS6) it say 24psi w/ meth for 343 awhp on a MS3 it would be higher but still its going to be at least 20

Correct, 24psi on my meth map yielded 343/356 which should be higher for Ms3 guys. I'm only running 24lbs because I am spraying.

My dry map sits at 21 because anything higher and the turbo runs too hot and won't make power w/ the ATP housing. If you go higher A/R, then were talking but with my weaksauce .56A/R housing, my turbo is basically maxxed out.

[8.5MS3]

thats dependent on what dyno you want to use as standard

dynojet - high bragging numbers
mustang - low real world power

[MattJackson86]

and what psi is the bnr efficient to?

[TRex]

anyone got a compressor map?

[zx2man]

Great points...and I did have a feeling that the 2871 turbo prabaly wasnt gonna get me there.....maybe just join the oh so popular 3076 club..I really dont want to spend the shitload of money for a build, anice honest 340-350 whp...would be nice.

I only run my car on Surgelines mustang dyno,so thats what #'s I want to run on that..could run the 3071..but seems like 3076 would be safer due to less boost to make that power. Thank you Yoichi for that informative PM...Ill be getting back at you with few more questions. The power bug is just a huge bitch haha.

[DSIT995]

zx2man- Are u going to be tuning w/ the AP? Cuz I have decided to make the switch over to the SB after watching so many people struggle tuning a BT (i know the BNR isnt a BIG turbo, but the SB seems to be a better choice)
U should consider it.....

[zx2man]

Originally Posted by DSIT995 zx2man- Are u going to be tuning w/ the AP? Cuz I have decided to make the switch over to the SB after watching so many people struggle tuning a BT (i know the BNR isnt a BIG turbo, but the SB seems to be a better choice) U should consider it.....

Totaly agree that SB is best for most people...and I think your gonna have some good numbers bro....but I already have the AP..and honestly I have shitloads of faith in my tuner Tim Bailey..hes prabaly the best Cobb tuner in the country..and before Cobb he was tuning and using alot of different tuning solutions..So im gonna stick with him...Plus for me im not planning to go over 350 whp.....

I think for alot guys who dont live near one of the best tuning facilities in the country like me
The SB is a awesome option..seems more simple and customer friendly to the user. But yeah I see the direction your going and if I was in your shoes id be doing the same thing..so kudos there..but ill be a stubborn Cobb user for now, its treated me good so far, for the power needs I have