Joe's Monster Gen2 Build

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

We have a local customer doing a 3071 build this week and getting tuned on Saturday. Not too many builds get it all at once. 3k miles and completely stock to fully bolted, CPE HPFP, 3071, pro tune, and a bunch of other goodies. Here's a little taste of what's going on the car this week. We'll post up a few other pics and vids after tuning is done on Sat. We'll be hitting the track either next week or the week after and we'll post some vids for that too. Good stuff!

[Special--k]

wow, that is very sexy... what Exh.mani are you going with?

[aaronc7]

turbo like that and IWG???

[cbusby]

Jesus that inlet is bigger than my legs..

[Fatguy729]

NICE!!! but no ex mani?

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

No new ex/int mani right away (I guess not FULLY bolted) but down the road possibly. We're gonna see where this setup takes it and if he wants more...we'll go into the exhaust mani.

Less parts and simpler setup was important for the customer so he went IWG.

[Fatguy729]

I have read about people having slow spooling issues with the stock ex mani... with both gt28's and 30's. It's debatable whether an ex mani does any good for the K04 (besides just push the thing even harder), but I think it's almost necessary when going BT... and ESPECIALLY with a 30. I'm not speaking from experience, BUT i've read ALOT on this forum LOL

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

Originally Posted by Fatguy729 I have read about people having slow spooling issues with the stock ex mani... with both gt28's and 30's. It's debatable whether an ex mani does any good for the K04 (besides just push the thing even harder), but I think it's almost necessary when going BT... and ESPECIALLY with a 30. I'm not speaking from experience, BUT i've read ALOT on this forum LOL

There's absolutely no guessing about that. Whether you've read about it or have done it before, a higher flowing exhaust mani will always spool it up faster and create more power. Doesn't always mean it's necessary though. We'll see how this works and post about it. Either way, if he goes with a mani, we'll do a comparison test so everyone can know for sure what kinds of changes it makes and what capabilities the turbo has after it.

[falconexe]

Originally Posted by JP@edgeautosport.com We have a local customer doing a 3071 build this week and getting tuned on Saturday. Not too many builds get it all at once. 3k miles and completely stock to fully bolted, CPE HPFP, 3071, pro tune, and a bunch of other goodies. Here's a little taste of what's going on the car this week. We'll post up a few other pics and vids after tuning is done on Sat. We'll be hitting the track either next week or the week after and we'll post some vids for that too. Good stuff!

I can not wait until I get this car back from the shop (MacAutoSport) this Saturday. Thanks to JP at EdgeAutoSport.com for documenting the build for me. Thanks to his customer service and amazing prices, I was able to get an incredible amount of mods. I am dropping over $10,000 into my 2011 MS3 in 4 days. As you can imagine, I had to be selective about what I could afford and what would give me the most bang for my money. I just wanted to get as much done in one shot as I could, and even with 10K, you still can't afford everything. However, we will be adding to this car within the next year, so ExMan, Coil Overs, ect. are coming...

We mostly have CP-E parts going in, but also have an Ultimate Racing catback, Cobb Tuning AP, HKS BOV, James Barone Racing mods, pro dyno tune, and more! The list is huge! We'll be posting the entire documented list of parts, and of course AP data log comparison, 1/4 run times, dyno results, and a crap ton of pics and vids. I hope you guys are as excited as I am! This has been an insanely fun experience. This weekend is freaken gonna rock. I will crap my pants when I hit that gas pedal for the first time on Saturday.

I have officially named this build the BlackBird

[djuosnteisn]

Looks fun. I'd upgrade the turbo before the exh mani any day.

....... if i had to choose that is.

[falconexe]

Here are some quick pics of various tiny mods...

[EvilMonkey]

I hope there is a DP in there somewhere.

[falconexe]

Originally Posted by EvilMonkey I hope there is a DP in there somewhere.

Freaken Funny!

Yeah, there is... CP-E DownPipe. We are holding off on revealing the entire mod list for now.

[aaronc7]

thats what she said

[EvilMonkey]

nice. LOL

[Fatguy729]

I was wondering with that $10k price tag! Shit it should be AWD when you're done! LOL

[falconexe]

I wish it was AWD too. But you know what? No car will be able to touch me with around 400WHP for about $32,000 (Car Price + Mods)...

[08.5MS3]

This looks fun. Interested in results.


Tapawhat?

[kunfu]

10,000??? Damn that sounds like a lot. I guess its the price to pay for all new parts and doing it in one shot.

Skip the decals

Whats the deal with those wheels?

[TheFranchizeSLB]

no decals... or youll be a ricer automatically... nice build tho... and the wheels... keep em stock or something lol... or sell those and get one of those air humidifiers that add 5 horsepower lol

[falconexe]

Originally Posted by TheFranchizeSLB no decals... or youll be a ricer automatically... nice build tho... and the wheels... keep em stock or something lol... or sell those and get one of those air humidifiers that add 5 horsepower lol

I like my wheels... But that was funny as hell!

[manelscout4life]

Your spending 10k in one shot on mods. Donate.

[doubleflusher]

10k?

On what?

I see maybe 4-5k in parts.

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by falconexe Freaken Funny! Yeah, there is... CP-E DownPipe. We are holding off on revealing the entire mod list for now.

Originally Posted by doubleflusher 10k? On what? I see maybe 4-5k in parts.

You may have missed this.

[MS33SM]

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 You may have missed this.

God damn it.

Withholding the part list like it's something special is ridiculous. They're all bolt on parts. Nothing will be surprising.

No exhaust mani = fail

This build is nothing special. It's a dude dropping 10k on bolt on parts.

Did I mention this is nothing special?????

For fucks sake Finkle.

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by MS33SM God damn it. Withholding the part list like it's something special is ridiculous. They're all bolt on parts. Nothing will be surprising. No exhaust mani = fail This build is nothing special. It's a dude dropping 10k on bolt on parts. Did I mention this is nothing special????? For fucks sake Finkle.

His fail > than our cars.

[MS33SM]

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 His fail > than our cars.

Ok well I'll let you be humbled by it while I lol.

[doubleflusher]

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 His fail > than our cars.

au contraire

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

lol I knew I'd have to do a little babysitting one day...

[MS33SM]

400 hp

Lololololololololol

Inb4 disappointment.

[manelscout4life]

In before blown engine before the car's paid off.

[sellers]

in before edgeautosport deletes more posts

[Monotonous ONE]

good luck with everything

but those wheels are superfaggy

[forcedinduktion]

10k? haha i hope that turbo is made out of gold

[cpolly69]

in for fail
1. cpe core is too small for that turbo
2. even the best port jobs still wind up with creep on that turbo w/ iwg on this car
3. where's the rest of what u need to push more cyl pressure? injector seals? rv upgrade?
oh well guess all that will be covered in the 6k labor.... how much was spent on the brianstorming for the name? 1k?

[Speed3eak]

Originally Posted by cpolly69 in for fail 1. cpe core is too small for that turbo 2. even the best port jobs still wind up with creep on that turbo w/ iwg on this car 3. where's the rest of what u need to push more cyl pressure? injector seals? rv upgrade? oh well guess all that will be covered in the 6k labor.... how much was spent on the brianstorming for the name? 1k?

Damn, you could cut the hate with a knife in here.

1.) New cp-e core is massive - dimensions are 24” x 9.5” by 3.25”, what size would you say someone would need for a stock-flange 3071 (out of curiosity)?
2.) What about driver311? 801ms3 (or something similar)? They're both running IWG 3071 bolt-on turbos and seem to be having success with them - do you have links to the guys with port jobs with uncontrollable boost creep? Not meant to be an attack or anything, I just was interested in the proposition of a 3071 with IWG and would like to read as much as I can on it.
3.) This is true about the injector seals, wasn't aware about the inadequacy of the rail valve. Are you speaking of the high pressure rail valve that silverdemon, jumpingjackson and others are running? I wasn't aware that you needed an upgraded rail valve if you're only going to be requesting stock pressure (~1650-1800 psi) - do you have to request higher pressure for big turbos (1900 psi +)?

If $6k includes a PnP job for the IM and Head, I partially understand it. Then again, that is a ton of $$$ just to have anything installed. Idk, I'd say go for it if you have the money to spend.

I hope this guy does hit 400whp but I doubt it'll happen on the stock ex-mani and without some PnP work, and without WMI. But if you have 32k to spend on a car and you don't want to wrench it yourself, I don't see why a BT ms3 like this is a bad proposition. I'm sure he'll have some kinks to work out, but that's true of any big turbo build.

[cpolly69]

Originally Posted by Speed3eak Damn, you could cut the hate with a knife in here. 1.) New cp-e core is massive - dimensions are 24” x 9.5” by 3.25”, what size would you say someone would need for a stock-flange 3071 (out of curiosity)? 2.) What about driver311? 801ms3 (or something similar)? They're both running IWG 3071 bolt-on turbos and seem to be having success with them - do you have links to the guys with port jobs with uncontrollable boost creep? Not meant to be an attack or anything, I just was interested in the proposition of a 3071 with IWG and would like to read as much as I can on it. 3.) This is true about the injector seals, wasn't aware about the inadequacy of the rail valve. Are you speaking of the high pressure rail valve that silverdemon, jumpingjackson and others are running? I wasn't aware that you needed an upgraded rail valve if you're only going to be requesting stock pressure (~1650-1800 psi) - do you have to request higher pressure for big turbos (1900 psi +)? If $6k includes a PnP job for the IM and Head, I partially understand it. Then again, that is a ton of $$$ just to have anything installed. Idk, I'd say go for it if you have the money to spend. I hope this guy does hit 400whp but I doubt it'll happen on the stock ex-mani and without some PnP work, and without WMI. But if you have 32k to spend on a car and you don't want to wrench it yourself, I don't see why a BT ms3 like this is a bad proposition. I'm sure he'll have some kinks to work out, but that's true of any big turbo build.

i didn't know the new cpe core was bigger - guess they took notes from cobb and changed it

driver311 still creeps - he just lives with it - same for rodrigo - as long as exhaust flow is good - that turbo is gonna creep - ewg is the light

increased pressure does nothing - it's the ability to sustain the max pressure (around 1800) that's needed - w/ a better pump the stock relief valve just keep cycling the more you crank the power - w/ out a mod fp will not stay steady -

i've seen the results to turning a car over to folks w/ little experience w/ the platform, so yeah i'm a bit skeptical of anyone doing it...

[Speed3eak]

Originally Posted by cpolly69 i didn't know the new cpe core was bigger - guess they took notes from cobb and changed it driver311 still creeps - he just lives with it - same for rodrigo - as long as exhaust flow is good - that turbo is gonna creep - ewg is the light increased pressure does nothing - it's the ability to sustain the max pressure (around 1800) that's needed - w/ a better pump the stock relief valve just keep cycling the more you crank the power - w/ out a mod fp will not stay steady - i've seen the results to turning a car over to folks w/ little experience w/ the platform, so yeah i'm a bit skeptical of anyone doing it...

Oh gotcha - I hadn't looked at any of their datalogs. I knew rodrigo used a MBC with his, didn't know what driver 311 was using. I agree that ewg is the light for that particular turbo, but different companies make better/worse IWGs - holset and borg warner both have great IWGs that flow enough to prevent boost creep even at the power levels this guy is looking to achieve.

If I were spending $10k, I'd definitely wait and get one of the EFR setups from full race.

As for the relief valve, I know phate pressure tested his in the thread he made about e85 - IIRC, it held pressure all the way to 1900 psi. The people that have blown the OEM out that I know of (dougefresh and bmorrisj) have done so because their pressure was way too high, even at part throttle conditions.

I seem to remember reading about a tuning technique where you overwhelm the rail valve enough at WOT that the lowest pressure you see is the point at which it opens. But, for part throttle conditions, you keep it low enough that the rail valve stays closed all the time.

In ATR I've raised up my pressure targets for all loads above 1.2 and RPM above 2.5k to ~1850. Hopefully my rail valve holds, but if it doesn't at least I'll know what caused it and it'll be good info to have at any rate.

Thanks for clarifying on all that stuff.

Originally Posted by dsmluck I think 400whp is unrealistic on a 3071 at this altitude (Denver area). I would think you need at least a 3076 and be FULLY bolted on WMI to have a shot at 400whp. Many of the dynos around here give way over inflated numbers on power output for turbo cars. Technically you COULD put down 400whp on a dyno here on a 3071 but it wouldn't be close to reality.

Didn't socks make his 392 whp at the cp-e dyno on a 3071? I know it won't be the same at your altitude, but here on the east coast (aka near sea level), I think the 3071 is perfectly capable of an honest-to-god 400 whp if you have the supporting mods. That includes an exhaust mani, t3 flange and a 3" v-band exit for the turbo from what I can tell.

I was thinking about how tits a twin-scroll 3071 setup would be - kissing 400 whp with spool time like a 2871. Actually, you could have better spool than that and more power with the new GTX turbos from garret, and a divided housing with t3/v-band connections.

And yes, I've lost a significant portion of my life fantasizing about a twin-scroll GTX3071R setup.

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by Speed3eak And yes, I've lost a significant portion of my life fantasizing about a twin-scroll GTX3071R setup.

I am not gonna lie. I fantasize about anything that starts with GT and doesn't spell K04.

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by Speed3eak Damn, you could cut the hate with a knife in here. 1.) New cp-e core is massive - dimensions are 24” x 9.5” by 3.25”, what size would you say someone would need for a stock-flange 3071 (out of curiosity)? 2.) What about driver311? 801ms3 (or something similar)? They're both running IWG 3071 bolt-on turbos and seem to be having success with them - do you have links to the guys with port jobs with uncontrollable boost creep? Not meant to be an attack or anything, I just was interested in the proposition of a 3071 with IWG and would like to read as much as I can on it. 3.) This is true about the injector seals, wasn't aware about the inadequacy of the rail valve. Are you speaking of the high pressure rail valve that silverdemon, jumpingjackson and others are running? I wasn't aware that you needed an upgraded rail valve if you're only going to be requesting stock pressure (~1650-1800 psi) - do you have to request higher pressure for big turbos (1900 psi +)? If $6k includes a PnP job for the IM and Head, I partially understand it. Then again, that is a ton of $$$ just to have anything installed. Idk, I'd say go for it if you have the money to spend. I hope this guy does hit 400whp but I doubt it'll happen on the stock ex-mani and without some PnP work, and without WMI. But if you have 32k to spend on a car and you don't want to wrench it yourself, I don't see why a BT ms3 like this is a bad proposition. I'm sure he'll have some kinks to work out, but that's true of any big turbo build.

I think 400whp is unrealistic on a 3071 at this altitude (Denver area). I would think you need at least a 3076 and be FULLY bolted on WMI to have a shot at 400whp. Many of the dynos around here give way over inflated numbers on power output for turbo cars. Technically you COULD put down 400whp on a dyno here on a 3071 but it wouldn't be close to reality.